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  California Supreme Court Case - S226656

  by Gayle in

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  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

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  Boeing Stratofortress

  We can dismantle his comments...

  They've already been dismantled. So, let's move on.
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  California Supreme Court Case - S226656

  by Gayle in

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  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

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  VI, If you have been following news reports in the USA about people wrongfully incarcerated for many decades and the Prosecuting Agency "framing" defendants, after suing the state they barely got a couple of million.

  The above quote from Fisherman to Village.

  Fisherman uses selective quotation when it suits him. Ironically, this is also common practice amongst his JW brethren in the printing department, who are infamous for misquoting scientists, and twisting the facts.

  Take, for example, his condescending approach towards Village (above). Fisherman refers to news stories on false incarcaration and the limits on lawsuit payouts. Wow! Talk comparing two incomparables! I wonder where he learned THAT?

  With a little READING, he would see that, as of February of this year, no less than 12 (twelve) Roman Catholic diocese have filed bankruptcy due to child sex abuse lawsuits. A recent case involving the San Diego diocese resulted in a $198 MILLION dollar settlement. I'll say it again: a $198,000,000 USD payout. It's a bit more than the "couple of million" that Fisherman alludes to in his quasi-analogy using 'wrongful incarceration.' Yes, it was spread among 144 victims, but was enough to force this diocese into Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

  According to Fisherman, many of us on this site cannot 'READ.' I strongly suggest he swallow his arrogance and look in the mirror, before he loses further credibility.

  Here is a link to the news report on the Catholic diocese:

  https://www.revealnews.org/article/catholic-dioceses-declare-bankruptcy-on-eve-of-sexual-abuse-trials/
  

  
  
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  California Supreme Court Case - S226656

  by Gayle in

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  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

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  Yes, it's a civil case attempting to levy punitive damages in order to force a change of behavior. Namely the two-witness rule, and it's impact on child protection, or lack thereof. I don't think there is any disagreement there.

  What is your point, Fisherman??
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  California Supreme Court Case - S226656

  by Gayle in

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  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

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  Boeing Stratofortress says: *.*
  

  Learn to read. LOL
  I will not respond to you anymore for your failure to read and to think before you post.

  Fisherman cannot answer my simple questions, therefore he evades, insults, and attempts to deflect the topic. You are well trained Fisherman. I would expect nothing less from an obviously 'hard-core' JW such as yourself. You're attitude is no different from various elders with whom I've debated doctrine. I gave you an excellent opportunity to differentiate between forms of 'custodial relationships,' and you've resorted to a tactic I've seen so often among your eldership. When they are asked to explain the unexplainable, they duck & cover, tell me I just don't 'understand,' and refer me to "Insight of the Scriptures," or some other piece of literarary rubbish.

  You suggest I learn to 'read.' I have a better idea, why don't you learn how to THINK. And I mean critically thought, not the autonomous rote style of thinking for which you've been programmed over the years. Anyone can regurgitate the LETTER of the law, it takes humility, patience, and a free mind to understand the SPIRIT of said law.

  As I stated, you had a perfect chance to 'educate' us, and you've gone into 'duck and cover' mode.

  I'm sure you're quick to warn others in your congregation to avoid 'apostate' sites like this one. I'm sure you are told to avoid them as well. If that's true, then I have even less respect for you than whatever small amount I might've had at the beginning of this thread.
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  California Supreme Court Case - S226656

  by Gayle in

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  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

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  Village:

  believe Candace Conti asked for 25 million in damages. The accumulation of multiple lawsuits could easily be a 100 million and I believe the society is worth several 100 million so that would be a good chunk of their 'hard earned' money.
  

  
  

  Asked for, yes. But didn't receive. Hopefully, other lawsuits in the pipeline will hit the WT in their pocketbook.
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  California Supreme Court Case - S226656

  by Gayle in

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  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

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  Fisherman, in response to my example of a school's duty to protect a child, you said...

  It is not the same, the school has a custody relationship with the child, and so does a day care. You leave the child with them. They are legally liable. They have a legal duty to protect the child. Didn't you read the Court transcripts posted on this Forum for this case?

  Whereas, in a subsequent post, you admitted to the 'special custodial relationship' between the church and child...

  Wrong! The Appellate Court ruled that the church formed a "special custody relationship" with the child,and that was one basis for the award of damages to Plaintiffs.

  Fisherman. First, you assert that the church had NO custodial liability. Then you admit that the church formed a 'special custody relationship' with the child. Since you are so well versed in legalese, perhaps you can enlighten the rest of us on the DIFFERENCE between these relationships.

  Also, you had previously stated that the elders in Conti's case had merely 'screwed up,' because they were 'imperfect.' Since you now seem to agree that there WAS, at least, a 'special custodial relationship' between the church and child. Would you not also agree that the elder's misstep in this case went well beyond a simple 'screwing up?' In almost any similar position of responsibility, they would be considered 'grossly negligent' and 'derelict in their duties.' A small business would likely fire a person so incompetent, and the military would court martial. I guess the standards of these JW elders fall well below that of most 'WORLDLY' people such as myself. Sad.
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  California Supreme Court Case - S226656

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  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

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  Yes. 'Duty to warn' verdict by lower court was overturned. Lack of child supervision during 'field service' verdict by lower court was upheld by the appellate court as a ruling against the WT. Duty to warn has nothing to do with custody. A child alone in field service is in temporary custody of another adult. In Conti's case, the adult was Kendrick. Yes, I read the court's transcript, thank-you.
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  California Supreme Court Case - S226656

  by Gayle in

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  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

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  Boeing Stratofortress

  Again.
  Violating confidentiality breaks church law and subjects the violator to church discipline, It is against church law.

  Fisherman, it's YOUR church law. Not mine. Your church's disciplinary actions. Not those of my church.

  Church discipline?? You mean Kingdom Hall style discipline, as in what Jonathan Kendrick received? Hahahaha. What DISCIPLINE did he receive? A slap on the wrist, followed by full reinstatement as an elder IN GOOD STANDING! How absurd. That bastard should be in jail.

  If some sick S.O.B. were to molest my child, he needn't worry about congregational 'discipline.' He'd incur the wrath of MY justice, and MY law, well in advance. Remember the movie "Scarface" with Al Pacino??
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  California Supreme Court Case - S226656

  by Gayle in

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  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

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  Boeing Stratofortress

  Cappytan, It looks as though Fisherman finally answered your question. He maintains that church-confidentiality is indeed more important than child welfare. Note how he bases his premise on 'church law,' not Federal Law.
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  California Supreme Court Case - S226656

  by Gayle in

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  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

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  Boeing Stratofortress

  Fisherman. This goes way beyond mere 'imperfection,' or 'screwing up,' as you put it.

  Suppose your kid's school administrator hires a gym teacher, knowing FULL-WELL that this individual has a criminal conviction for kiddy-porn. Suppose that same gym teacher sexually molests YOUR child in the locker room when no one was around.

  I guess you'd just shrug your shoulders and say, "well, the administration just 'screwed' up. They're 'imperfect.'" Right? Is that what you'd do? If so, then you disgust me.

  And as for not trusting others with the 'little ones,' are you telling me that you attend school with your kids?